tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post4535450817941726993..comments2023-09-26T05:18:08.074-06:00Comments on Cafe of the Cosmic Dance: Are the Republicans Against Obama, or Against a Fiction They Call "Obama"?Paul Sunstonehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02462598852553696040noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-6793941194092723782012-03-27T22:09:48.330-06:002012-03-27T22:09:48.330-06:00It's true, and it's a serious problem beca...It's true, and it's a serious problem because (in general) the party/people in power need public scrutiny. There are very real things to criticize about Obama, but the real criticisms hardly get a public airing since the opposition is too busy battling this fiction.C. L. Hansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12698855413639518095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-37105483911628470602012-03-26T00:04:53.609-06:002012-03-26T00:04:53.609-06:00Thanks, Pjevs! I guess lying is a kind of metapho...Thanks, Pjevs! I guess lying is a kind of metaphorical creation. It doesn't really create anything, but can be thought of as doing such.Paul Sunstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02462598852553696040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-90673425481725901692012-03-26T00:02:43.934-06:002012-03-26T00:02:43.934-06:00I am deeply distressed by just how stupid people c...I am deeply distressed by just how stupid people can appear to be. It makes me despair for the future of our species.Paul Sunstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02462598852553696040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-80860847565852480272012-03-26T00:01:36.495-06:002012-03-26T00:01:36.495-06:00I think the Republican leadership knows who Obama ...I think the Republican leadership knows who Obama is. I doubt too many of the rank and file do. They seem to live in their own bubble, independent of fact and reality.Paul Sunstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02462598852553696040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-71113175747244048662012-03-26T00:00:05.204-06:002012-03-26T00:00:05.204-06:00For all practical purposes, I'd say you're...For all practical purposes, I'd say you're right, Sey. I don't know whether it's one machine, or ten machines all with the same message, but the effect is the same.Paul Sunstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02462598852553696040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-23948834741259634152012-03-25T23:58:46.854-06:002012-03-25T23:58:46.854-06:00It is indeed a shame, Loren. I am getting quite t...It is indeed a shame, Loren. I am getting quite tired of voting against people. I need a break: Someone to vote for.Paul Sunstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02462598852553696040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-87878596031814662582012-03-25T23:57:00.669-06:002012-03-25T23:57:00.669-06:00I completely agree, Cujo. Most genuine liberals h...I completely agree, Cujo. Most genuine liberals have very little in common with Obama, yet seem to support him anyway. No wonder liberals are ignored!Paul Sunstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02462598852553696040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-24938179862861298502012-03-25T23:55:50.233-06:002012-03-25T23:55:50.233-06:00Thanks!
I've seen two or three of those studi...Thanks!<br /><br />I've seen two or three of those studies, Kay. Scary!Paul Sunstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02462598852553696040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-2643669617551552282012-03-25T23:55:04.143-06:002012-03-25T23:55:04.143-06:00Thank you for your kind words, Donna. It's go...Thank you for your kind words, Donna. It's good to be back!<br /><br />It sometimes seems to me that Utah is a theocracy in all but final fact. Is there any truth to that?Paul Sunstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02462598852553696040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-74666321586682070952012-03-25T23:53:09.206-06:002012-03-25T23:53:09.206-06:00A large part of me wishes the Native American way ...A large part of me wishes the Native American way was the norm, Jon. I know Alinsky was right to steer them towards a more practical route, but our culture would be better off if it were less focused on confrontation and more on cooperation. I suppose that presumes a greater degree of shared values though.<br /><br />It's good to be back. Thanks!Paul Sunstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02462598852553696040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-79024155634120655102012-03-25T23:47:30.910-06:002012-03-25T23:47:30.910-06:00I once heard -- rightly or wrongly -- that there w...I once heard -- rightly or wrongly -- that there were Canadian laws requiring truth in reporting that had kept Murdoch out of Canada. Is there anything to that?Paul Sunstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02462598852553696040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-65894888732569958532012-03-25T23:46:02.987-06:002012-03-25T23:46:02.987-06:00I, too, get a few of those political emails. I wou...I, too, get a few of those political emails. I would be much less disgusted if they were more factual. That is, I don't worry so much about someone disagreeing with my opinions, as I worry about people who can't seem to get their facts straight.Paul Sunstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02462598852553696040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-11836537471855169512012-03-25T15:19:59.419-06:002012-03-25T15:19:59.419-06:00If lying and creating is the same thing,yes then t...If lying and creating is the same thing,yes then the republicans have created a fictional president.Pjevshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15782922274870598283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-85604258949295936252012-03-24T15:16:32.355-06:002012-03-24T15:16:32.355-06:00The Republican's strategy must reflect what (t...The Republican's strategy must reflect what (they think) people will respond to. People are stupid. 'Nuff said.Garnethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02401188830560417180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-73292546845092224822012-03-24T05:07:17.818-06:002012-03-24T05:07:17.818-06:00Republicans know damned who and what Obama is but ...Republicans know damned who and what Obama is but they've been on a unreality spin for decades. They also know damned well that they can lie and lie and lie and never get caught out because the American public is so an anaesthetized by Rump Limpball's rhetoric which makes them believe that because they are white American men they are totally superior to everything else in the world.DakotaOutlawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01220090455586350680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-23689797960736025522012-03-24T01:19:00.372-06:002012-03-24T01:19:00.372-06:00I think Maher pretty much hit the nail on the head...I think Maher pretty much hit the nail on the head. It's astonishing how many conservatives are absolutely convinced of the most amazing calumnies and have a totally skewed view of American politics and history.<br /><br />The US is in the grip of a powerful, organized and well funded propaganda machine.Seynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-79478083746392606752012-03-23T22:00:29.226-06:002012-03-23T22:00:29.226-06:00Both?
They're probably more against the ficti...Both?<br /><br />They're probably more against the fictional Obama, but I doubt most religious conservatives would vote for the real Obama either, anymore than the Taliban would.<br /><br />The shame is that liberals like myself are probably going to have to vote for him though he seems more interested in being re-elected than it enacting any real liberal policies. Once again, I'll end up voting against someone rather than for someone.Lorenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03152302644577926337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-3560537097077174582012-03-23T12:46:36.208-06:002012-03-23T12:46:36.208-06:00Damn few people are well informed about politics t...Damn few people are well informed about politics these days. If they weren't, then opinion polls on how well Obama is doing as President would be almost a mirror image of what they are. He's doing as good a job of advancing conservatism as the last president did, yet liberals overwhelmingly approve him, and conservatives overwhelmingly disapprove.Cujo359https://www.blogger.com/profile/10385213658828021737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-64078062385868106072012-03-23T12:21:35.264-06:002012-03-23T12:21:35.264-06:00Welcome back, Paul!!!! And yeah, I think Bill Mahe...Welcome back, Paul!!!! And yeah, I think Bill Maher is right on this.<br />There was a study that determined that those who watch Fox News are less informed than people don't watch the news at all! <br /><br />http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-11-22/news/30431182_1_fox-news-results-show-viewersKay Dennisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02646717192332313215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-67923620403976870812012-03-23T07:51:27.849-06:002012-03-23T07:51:27.849-06:00Yes! I'm glad you're back, Paul. In some R...Yes! I'm glad you're back, Paul. In some Republican circles, Obama is the Muslim who wrecked the economy. I think you're right that media bubble is partly the cause. In Utah where the LDS Church owns so many of the media outlets, residents are led to believe that the church is this highly respected all-powerful entity -- unless they read or watch outside sources.Donna Bantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01271377907141866718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-22468917545360606872012-03-23T07:24:59.639-06:002012-03-23T07:24:59.639-06:00I loved the Bill Maher clip - I hadn't seen it...I loved the Bill Maher clip - I hadn't seen it. I also had no idea who Saul Alinsky was until I heard Gingrich repeat his name as the bogeyman behind the sinister Obama philosophy. This really got my interest. Who was Alinsky? On youtube I looked for all the videos I could find - and one was from a TV documentary (Canadian television I think) where Alinsky meets with Native Americans living on a reservation who wanted to bring their grievances to national attention but for whom 'organizing' went against their non-confrontational approach to life. The debate (in a cafe) between some of the young Native Americans and Alinsky (who explains that as beautiful as their philosophy may be, it won't lead to change in the world we live in) is pretty interesting. Aside from the silly theater of Gingrich and Glen Beck trying to imprint an Obama-Alinsky association into our minds, it seems to me that there are worse people to be associated with than Saul Alinsky.<br /><br />Glad to have the Cafe of the Cosmic Dance back on-line and stimulating our thoughts!jonhttp://brain-and-mind.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-84462925085145289932012-03-23T05:36:45.627-06:002012-03-23T05:36:45.627-06:00Must be catching; our own Conservative party is ge...Must be catching; our own Conservative party is getting on that wagon and they even, now, have a news network, Sun News TV, sounding much like Fox and own by Pierre-Karl PéladeauSs Quebecor, based in Toronto.potsochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09497735324298117643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8188928860839653471.post-61805404079684577462012-03-23T05:28:08.297-06:002012-03-23T05:28:08.297-06:00It's not that no Democrat has ever fibbed or e...It's not that no Democrat has ever fibbed or exaggerated with respect to an opponent, but the Republicans do seem to be taking it to a whole other level. For years now, Limbaugh has had no problems departing from the truth to stir up his fans, with the case of Ms. Fluke being one of the most recent, well known examples. It seems to me that many of the Reps are taking a page from his playbook. This is about manipulation; stirring people enough to motivate them to vote, if not out of liking the Rep candidate then out of fear of what may happen under a Dem, Obama in this case.<br /><br />The candidates themselves just represent the tip of the iceberg. My step father is a Rep who forwards to me the political emails he gets. I would say that they are, on average, only 30-40% fact based, but nearly all of them are brimming with disgust and fear regarding Obama.TWFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016277303703254572noreply@blogger.com